November 30, 2011, 12:04 pm
I feel the need to reproduce this email in its entirety. Here is Phil Jones actively hoping the world will warm (an outcome he has publicly stated would be catastrophic). The tribalism has gotten so intense that it is more important for his alarmist tribe to count coup on the skeptics than to hope for a good outcome for the Earth.
>From: Phil Jones [mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk]
>Sent: 05 January 2009 16:18
>To: Johns, Tim; Folland, Chris
>Cc: Smith, Doug; Johns, Tim
>Subject: Re: FW: Temperatures in 2009
>
>
> Tim, Chris,
> I hope you're not right about the lack of warming lasting
> till about 2020. I'd rather hoped to see the earlier Met Office
> press release with Doug's paper that said something like -
> half the years to 2014 would exceed the warmest year currently on
> record, 1998!
> Still a way to go before 2014.
>
> I seem to be getting an email a week from skeptics saying
> where's the warming gone. I know the warming is on the decadal
> scale, but it would be nice to wear their smug grins away.
>
> Chris - I presume the Met Office
> continually monitor the weather forecasts.
> Maybe because I'm in my 50s, but the language used in the forecasts seems
> a bit over the top re the cold. Where I've been for the last 20
> days (in Norfolk)
> it doesn't seem to have been as cold as the forecasts.
>
> I've just submitted a paper on the UHI for London - it is 1.6 deg
> C for the LWC.
> It comes out to 2.6 deg C for night-time minimums. The BBC forecasts has
> the countryside 5-6 deg C cooler than city centres on recent nights.
> The paper
> shows the UHI hasn't got any worse since 1901 (based on St James Park
> and Rothamsted).
>
> Cheers
> Phil
Is this better or worse than rooting for a bad economy to get your favorite politicians elected? Anthony Watt has more in this same tone, showing how climate scientists were working to shift messages and invent new science to protect the warming hypothesis.
The last part about the UHI (urban heat island) study is interesting. I don't remember this study. But it is interesting that he accepts a UHI of as high as 1.6C (my son and I found evening UHI in Phoenix around 4-6C, about in line with his London results). It looks like he is trying to say that UHI should not matter to temperature measurement, since it has not changed in London since 1900 (a bias in temperature measurement that does not change does not affect the temperature anomaly, which is what tends to be important). But the point is that many other temperature stations in the Hadley CRUT data base are in cities that are now large today but were much smaller than London in 1900 (Tucson is a great example). In these cases, there is a changing measurement bias that can affect the anomaly, so I am not sure what Jones was trying to get at.
November 29, 2011, 5:41 pm
I normally object to the ways in which global warming alarmists portray skeptics. But I will accept this from Phil Jones
They [skeptics] mostly look at observation papers and ignore modelling ones, as they believe by default models are wrong!
Models are nothing more than scientific hypotheses programmed into computer code. As such, I must admit to finding papers that merely model various hypotheses (generally in a very nontransparent and non-replicable sort of way) to be the least interesting of all possible papers. It is far more interesting to see someone lay out their hypotheses and attempt to justify them with observational data. In climate, the prevalence of modelling tends actually obscure this discussion, as we don't always see all the relevant hypotheses that form the foundation of a model, and even when we do, we usually don't see the details of its implementation (which can be as important to the results as, say, the exact wording of a poll question).
So, yes, if Dr. Jones wishes to defines the sides in this debate as skeptics whose science is driven by observational data and alarmists whose science is driven by computer models no one has seen or replicated, I will accept those definitions.
August 30, 2007, 10:34 am
NASA's GISS was recently forced to restate its historical temperature database for the US when Steve McIntyre (climate gadfly) found discontinuities in the data that seemed to imply a processing error. Which indeed turned out to be the case (store here).
The importance of this is NOT the actual change to the measurements, though it was substantial. The importance, which the media reporting on this has entirely missed, is it highlights why NASA and other government-funded climate scientists have got to release their detailed methodologies and software for scrutiny. The adjustments they are making to historical temperatures are often larger(!) than the measured historical warming (here, here, here) so the adjustment methodology is critical.
This post from Steve McIntyre really shows how hard government-funded climate scientists like James Hansen are working to avoid scientific scrutiny. Note the contortions and detective work McIntyre and his readers must go through to try to back into what NASA and Hansen are actually doing. Read in this context, you should be offended by this article. Here is an excerpt (don't worry if you can't follow the particular discussion, just get a sense of how hard NASA is making it to replicate their adjustment process):
If I average the data so adjusted, I get the NASA-combined version
up to rounding of 0.05 deg C. Why these particular values are chosen is
a mystery to say the least. Version 1 runs on average a little warmer
than version 0 where they diverge ( and they are identical after 1980).
So why version 0 is adjusted down more than version 1 is hard to figure
out.
Why is version 2 adjusted down prior to 1990 and not after? Again
it's hard to figure out. I'm wondering whether there isn't another
problem in splicing versions as with the USHCN data. One big version of
Hansen's data was put together for Hansen and Lebedeff 1987 and the
next publication was Hansen et al 1999 - maybe different versions got
involved. But that's just a guess. It could be almost anything....It would be interesting to check their source code and see how they get this adjustment, that's for sure.
A basic tenant of science is that you publish enough information such that others can replicate your work. Hansen and NASA are not doing this, which is all the more insane given that we as taxpayers pay for their work.
Hansen cites the fact that Phil Jones gets somewhat similar results as
evidence of the validity of his calculations. In fairness to Hansen,
while they have not archived code, they have archived enough data
versions to at least get a foothold on what they are doing. In
contrast, Phil Jones at CRU maintains lockdown anti-terrorist security
on his data versions and has even refused FOI requests for his data.
None of these sorts of analyses are possible on CRU data, which may or
may not have problems of its own.