Windows 8 Even Worse Than I Thought
Up to this point, after some initial bad impressions trying Windows 8 briefly, I have avoided it like the plague. However, my son needed a new laptop and the only ones that really met our requirements only came in Windows 8 flavors, so we bought one.
What an awful mess. The system boots up into a tiled mess that looks like some cheesy website covered in moving gifs and viagra ads. To make matters worse, nothing on this tablet-based interface is organized at all logically. The interface is like the room of an ADD child that dropped all of his toys and books in random spots. I am sure these tiles have some sort of navigation paradigm, but it is completely different from any used in past windows versions. I could not, for example, figure out how to easily exit the store except to alt-tab out (there is no exit or quit option and right-click context menus which are one of the great advantages of windows over mac don't seem to work a lot of the time). Again, I am sure there is some way to do it, but I have no idea what it is and no desire to learn new navigation commands. Perhaps Microsoft intends that one use a gamepad instead of a mouse -- I would not be surprised at this point.
Unlike older versions of windows, windows update did not run automatically at first bootup. I knew from past experience there were likely dozens of security patches I needed to install right away. I hunted for quite a while just to find the windows control panel (so I could run windows update). It was buried in a sub-menu of a toolbar on the right side of the screen that only pops up if you find a tiny (unmarked) spot in the corner of the screen with your mouse. It amazes me that anyone thought replacing the start button with an unmarked spot on the screen was a good idea.
Of course, the control panel is called something entirely different now, but I did eventually find windows update and there were, as expected, over 70 security patches that needed to be installed. But for some reason they would not download immediately, but kept giving me a message that they would be downloaded at some future indeterminate date. I finally found a way to force them to download.
My next step was to get rid of the stupid application tile interface and get the computer to boot directly to desktop and get the old start button back. This requires a free upgrade to windows 8.1, but there is no obvious way to do this, even through windows update. I finally had to search the internet to find the link. This sent me into the windows 8 app store. What a total mess that is! If anything, it is more poorly organized than the Apple app store. Like the Apple store, it seems aimed at people who want to browse applications virtually at random rather than find something specific. Incredibly, there is no search function. Yes, I know, I have to be wrong about that, but I scrolled all over that damn storefront and cannot find a search box.
So I cannot actually find the Windows 8.1 upgrade. The web site tells me that I should be presented with a prominent option to download it in the store, but I am not. It is nowhere to be found. I found an FAQ somewhere that suggested that I would not be offered the 8.1 upgrade if my 8.0 installation is missing certain patches, so I am going back to windows update to see if there is something I am still missing.
I was wrong about windows 8 -- I once wrote it was bad but perhaps not as bad as Vista or ME. But it is. This is the worst thing I have ever seen come out of Microsoft. It is inexplicable that this company with such a strong market share in the business world could saddle its flagship OS with an interface more appropriate to an XBOX.
In the past, I have said that I would not want a desktop with a tablet interface. But at the end of the day, I would not want a tablet with this interface. Perhaps with hours of work, I will make this computer usable. Who would have ever thought I would have longed for the day when I had to spend an hour with a new computer removing bloatware. Now I have to spend a day trying to emulate the windows 7 experience on windows 8.
People have developed many hypotheses for the lingering recession. Some say it was too small a stimulus. Some blame the sequester. I blame the Windows 8 launch, which I think has a lot to do with suppressing PC sales and thus much of the electronics and retailing sector.
"Metro" apps you minimize by dragging the mouse down from the top of the screen. The control panel is still there. Put the mouse in the lower left corner of the desktop and right-click. Rearrange the start tiles and hide the ones you don't like. Hint: put the desktop icon in the top left corner; then you can just hit Enter to start the desktop, after you log on.
Once you've rearranged the icons on the start screen the way you like, which you do by dragging and dropping, it's easier to use than the start menu's tiny little scrolling, non-sortable, menu.
Want to find the 8.1 upgrade? Click the Update link in the top right, and then hit the back arrow. Why, I don't know, but when you do that, you should find a huge "upgrade to windows 8.1" tile all the way on the left of the store.
Windows update has always updated when it wants, if you don't change it. If you go to the Windows Update control panel--not the Metro app settings one--you can still alter the settings, and you can force an update when you want.
Initially it frustrated the hell out of me. But after getting used to it I quite like it .on the start screen I just have the tiles relevant to my usage. On my htpc I can navigate the start screen with my harmony remote which is a big plus. Right click with the mouse in bottom left corner brings up the same context menu as the win + x shortcut. I only need the full start screen for rarely used programs. You can boot straight to desktop in 8.1 and have all your stuff pinned to the task bar . It's fast and seems rock solid. Now I wouldn't go back to win 7 .regards Neil
There is quite a bit of adjustment for end users migrating to 8/8.1
First and foremost, make sure to move your desktop tile to the top left position on the start screen. This allows you to just hit enter to go to the desktop.
Secondly, modern apps aren't closed/exited as such typically, but will suspend on their own. You can force them to close by dragging down from the top of the screen and waiting until the tile turns, but that isn't really necessary.
The way to leave an app context is to hit the windows key (or, on touch machines, swipe in from the right side of the screen and hit the start button). It acts like a "back to the start" button and the computer does the rest.
Similarly, the way to search for something is to hit the start button and just type the name of what you are looking for.
Search in apps is implemented through the side-swipe as well: in the store, swipe in from the right, click the search icon, and there you are.
In summation: people hate change.
Give it a chance, even my (73 and 67 year old) parents enjoyed it (unexpectedly)
Go to their dumb App Store (why does a PC even have an App Store?! Why can't we just download software normally?!) and get Start8. It costs you $5 but it's worth in terms of saving the headache. It will give you the normal start menu back. The dumb start button on 8.1 only brings you back to the ADD Viagra tiled mess again. I don't use the word "dumb" often. But it's the only word I can use to describe Windows 8. It's so dumb.
Thing is, most of us don't yet have touch on our desktops. Frankly I don't want it. I enjoy it on my iPhone and tablet. But sitting upright at a desk I want my hands on the keyboard and mouse, touch screen seems really inconvenient for a desktop PC.
Furthermore. I've used android phones and tablet, and iPhone/iPad.im a big fan of both. I do not like windows mobile, nobody likes windows mobile. It's a failed mobile OS, so WHY are they pushing their failed OS onto desktop users??
Windows 7 was great. I never had any problems in 3 years. I was to murder Windows 8.
Start8 - pay $5, install it, you get your bloody start menu back and it saves a lot of headaches. There are still things i hate about w8, but it's a huge help :-) http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
Yes, this is true, it's what my boyfriend keeps saying and laughing at me while I swear in frustration. The problem is none of us expected a change this drastic. And it's really annoying to have software designed for tablets and smart phones pushed onto PC users.
It wouldn't let me either. It was like a wild goose chase or a scavenger hunt. Finally I found a message "if you can't upgrade to Windows 8 then you need to update your system before you can upgrade." So do a windows upDATE. When it finishes then the Win8.1 upGRADE should show up in the dumb App Store. Because they can't just let you download it from the website. No, it has to be done like an app, because the word "app" is the cool thing now and MS is desperately trying to be cool. Anyway, try an update and see if you can then get the upgrade. All together it will be about 30 to 40 more minutes of your life wasted because MS is incompetent.
Yeah but then you are still missing your start menu. And it always goes back to their retarded tile shit. That's what is driving people nuts.
Hey, I read a couple articles online about how to "fix" windows 8 and make it like windows 7, classic shell was mentioned but reviewers said Start8 was better. I went for Start8 even though it's $5. I'm happy with it so far, but just wondering what's the difference...
I forgot about 98. Maybe because for work, I went from 95 to 2000, while at home I had ME. I was comparing the ME I had at home, to the 95 I had at work. The 95 was utter crap compared to ME or Vista, in my world.
I love M$, W8 rocks!
If it wasn't for them, I'd have to get a proper job.
W8 rocks! I've already made a small fortune taking it off new boxes and installing
W7, which after a bit of tweaking - first thing is to set the interface
from 'Appearance' to 'Performance' for speed and reliability, turn off about 2 dozen superfluous processes and startup rubbish and revert to the 'Classic' look - is actually very usable and reliable, pretty much what XP should have been about a decade ago.
But thanks to Bill and Steve, I live in a very pleasant part of the country, use an iMac for my domestic computing (mostly email, browsing and messing with digital photos) and drive a Mercedes Benz.
Meanwhile, I have six or ten assorted Windoze boxes running assorted OSs to do a bit of programming and to support my clients - at least one of whom still depends on a DOS app.
Keep 'em coming, M$!
The "every other OS is good" meme only works when you ignore NT.
BTW, I used Me extensively. The only thing wrong with it was vendors putting too much shovelware on the PCs. I had an HP that was loaded down with shovelware, and it ran like crap, including https not working in the browser! I wiped the hard drive and installed a clean copy of Me without any of the HP-supplied garbage and it ran fine.
And also pick up ModernMix from them. Full disclosure -- I am a dev at MSFT. :) But, yeah, Start8 and ModernMix are essential.
I've been using MS OS since the DOS days. Second quarter of last year I finally had enough of Microsoft and started migrating to debian weezy. Now I only use Windows for CV5, Netflix, and AutoCad 2013. With the exception of Autocad and games, I have found acceptable GNU alternatives for my MS software suite. I find the gnome desktop eazy to use and pleasing.
"a tiled mess that looks like some cheesy website covered in moving gifs and viagra ads" This is the best description of Windows 8 I've ever read. Anywhere.
lol
it it on the head
Classic Shell works with its original code. It doesn't depend on Microsoft code.
In case people aren't sure which Start Menu to install, I made a comparison here: http://classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2399&p=11787
I'd rather use DOS than Windows 8. At least with DOS, I'm in control. I have no idea how to control Windows 8. I finally gave up trying and downloaded Classic Shell.
Thank you for this post. I just bought a new laptop, which cames with Windows 8. I still haven't begun to figure out how to use this excvrescence of an operating system. Your comments help. Microsoft deserve to be boycotted for all products for this demonstration of just how out of touch they are with computer users!!