Movie Critique
If I see another movie where it turns out the bad buy secretly wants to be captured by the good guys as part of a more elaborate infiltration plan (e.g. Avengers, the new Star Trek, the recent Die Hard, Skyfall) I think I am going to scream.
Johnathan:
This is a common one:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PoisonousCaptive
May 29, 2013, 10:41 pmobloodyhell:
Indeed. Hardly all that new or unusual...
May 30, 2013, 12:14 amnorse:
LOL. Yes. Also, there have been enough movies with giant spaceships crashing out of orbit followed by the very much alive pilots jumping out of broken windows, don't you think?
May 30, 2013, 12:30 amTJIC:
As long as they have lots of lens flare, they can do whatever they want with the plot.
Wait. No.
May 30, 2013, 3:32 amjohn mcginnis:
Whaat??! The constant drumbeat of DC and Marvel comic movies, sequel XXXIV have not driven your mind numb to even notice the twists in the plot? :)
May 30, 2013, 5:37 amScott:
Joker in the Dark Knight wanted to be captured. and since Christopher Nolan is the only creative moviemaker, everyone else saw that pattern and copied him. Remember the one were gerard butler is caught by jamie fox? and manipulates the system from inside? American film making is pathetic. And subsidized.
May 30, 2013, 6:31 amDaublin:
The plots of any action movie are filled with bad moves. Pick up the weapon instead of using your hands. Kill the bad guy PRONTO. Don't call an enemy to gloat about how you are on your way. Have the capable guy drive the space ship; do the father-son stuff later. It's maddening.
At the risk of giving out spoilers, my favorite bad idea is to do something to save one bad guy's life but, along the way, kill dozens of henchmen to do it. Umm, you'll go out of your way to protect an openly evil guy, but not the hired help? Are you *trying* to make things more interesting? Oh wait, maybe so.
I have come to think of things like this as necessary devices to make a movie work. Character interaction makes a movie much more interesting, but for an action movie, there is often no good reason for the characters to talk to each other. So the film maker forces it.
People won't sit through a movie where one person's world is going to be metaphorically destroyed. So you make a movie where the actual world is going to actually be destroyed.
May 30, 2013, 7:11 amSuperMike:
I wonder if it's a reaction to the real-life hopelessness of the terror masterminds stuck in the black hole of Guantanamo bay and the like. (Comeuppance for our extraordinary rendition etc)
May 30, 2013, 7:58 amErikTheRed:
Heh. As if that's the worst plot hole in any of those films. I loved the new Star Trek, but you *really* had to turn your brain off...
http://www.the-editing-room.com/star-trek-into-darkness.html
May 30, 2013, 9:37 amDale:
It was a Star Trek movie. When I went with my family I know the kind of
May 30, 2013, 11:25 ammovie I was going to and I loved it. I loved the way it turned things around from the “The
Wrath of Khan”. Sorry, but I think the
whole bunch of you are snobs. Instead of
tearing it apart you should like it for what it is.
terrence:
Typo - "the bad buy secretly" S/B "the bad guy secretly"
May 30, 2013, 6:29 pmDrTorch:
I don't see many movies, certainly not in the theatre. But Iron Man 3 was bad...really bad. Disappointing to waste my free tickets on that dud.
May 31, 2013, 5:58 amAs for Avengers, what you say about Loki wanting to be captured was a liability. But, there is no denying that as a whole, that movie rocked!
Elam Bend:
I expect big plot holes in action movies (tropes, etc); my biggest problem with the new Star Trek is that the main characters didn't seem, well, professional. I just couldn't buy the Kirk character as written and played as captain material. What was worse was the bickering between the Spock and Uhuru characters. Worse than 'Friends'! In fact, the only character that I actually 'bought' and found semi-sympathetic was the Sherlock,,,I mean 'Khan'. He at least seemed competent (as well as super human).
May 31, 2013, 7:39 amBram:
I didn't understand a bit of the first 10 minutes.
Why was a starship in the ocean - particularly if the natives aren't supposed to see it? Why didn't they beam down or send a shuttle from orbit? Why not just bean down the device - or stick on a probe?
Nobody involved came off as competent.
May 31, 2013, 9:40 ammesaeconoguy:
Way to give away JJ Abrams’ parting shot in the Star Trekishness ™ series.
However, since the good-guy-goes-bad meme has already been prominently used in Revenge of the Sith: Never Let a Crisis Go to Waste, let us see if his hyperactive lenswork can salvage his next projects - Episodes 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, and 15, where Luke Skywalker’s great, great, great grandson marries Admiral Akbar’s clone in the Mos Eisley Spaceport bar.
Yes, by then there will be mandatory gay marriage, like Illinois now
http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/illinois-considers-mandatory-gay-marriage-bill-t11167.html
Sorry, spoiler alert.
May 31, 2013, 6:39 pmmesaeconoguy:
Hey – Young Captain Kirk ™ is Chris Pine, the voice of BMW.
Don’t call the Voice of BMW unprofessional, ok?
BMW might come and get you, ok?
You know what they did to William Shatner? Decapitation.
PS/bonus question: WITHOUT CONSULTING THE INTERWEBS
Who is Chris Pine’s actor father, and for what role is he known?
May 31, 2013, 6:44 pmobloodyhell:
I'd have to say that this is essentially correct.
You don't go to an action pic looking for full-bore character development.
I'm not saying you can't put that in, I'm just saying you don't EXPECT it. And you can't expect a lot of it.
Most of the comments here are correct, in essence. The people are mostly not all that professional.... and the character development is thin and mixed inbetween action plot points.
Stop looking for The King's Speech.
;-)
June 1, 2013, 11:39 pmobloodyhell:
If you want to see plot holes mercilessly mocked, there's a website out there dedicated to analyzing the BS on the blackboards in the backgrounds of porn films.
It's about as justified an analysis as these complaints... :-D
June 1, 2013, 11:41 pmmarque2:
They have hyper seat belts.
June 2, 2013, 7:15 ammarque2:
Hey why send down a puny probe when you have the technology to hide an entire starship under water?
Actually our Military suffers from a version of this. Instead of purchasing tools at reasonable cost that get 90% of what we want done, they purchase super tools at 99% of what they ideally desire. The difference in that last 9% is a 10 fold increase in cost.
Last aircraft we made that was designed based on being a reasonable cost/functionality craft was the F-16 and it turned out to be the most popular fighter craft ever. YF-22 is an amazing craft, but is out of bounds when doing any reasonable coost/benefit analysis
June 2, 2013, 7:20 ammarque2:
So you are into "student - teacher" genre ;-)
June 2, 2013, 7:22 ammarque2:
I wouldn't be surprised if a some point in the future there were mandatory gay marriage. Every man must marry another man for 5 years before moving on to animals, women, whatever.
It will really help Paul Ehrlich and his quest to save the world from overpopulation.
June 2, 2013, 7:27 ammarque2:
You know I was about to say something similar
I don't drink beer often but when I do I prefer not to drink Dos Equis
:P
June 2, 2013, 7:29 am