Immigration Law as a Precursor for Work Permits
I have made this same point before -- immigration restrictions on who can and can't work in the US is effectively a Federal work permit requirement, one that could easily be expanded over time:
E-Verify, if implemented nationwide, would be a system of work permits. If you started a new job, you would need the federal government to verify that you are legally allowed to have that job. How long would it be before the government started making judgements about who should be allowed to work? Convicted sexual predators, even those who were, say 19, and sleeping with a consensual 16-year-old, have to register for life and are told that they can't live in certain parts of a city. Is it entirely inconceivable that some would ultimately be told that they can't work?
I can imagine far worse than that in today's society. One must complete a certain number of hours of training and pass a series of tests to get a driver's licence. How long before someone suggestions mandatory diversity testing and a woke-ness test before being allowed to work?
ErikTheRed:
Discussing the second-or-higher-order effects of any policy with conservatives and progressives is like trying to communicate with a toddler. They only want the first-order effect, immediately, and any resulting mess is Somebody Else's Problem. I just spent 8 years telling Obamaites that his excesses would be abused by the next (R) president and it's like you're speaking some incomprehensible foreign language. And now we're just beginning 8 years of the same thing with conservatives.
May 22, 2017, 10:04 amJim Collins:
I already have to file an I9 form showing that I am eligible to be employed in the US. what's the difference?
May 22, 2017, 11:12 amjames:
Try France- You can't even do a paper round, supermarket shelf satcking, lawnmowing or anything where you might earn some money until you're 18.
May 22, 2017, 1:05 pmJohn Moore:
Sorry, but we need to control out borders - it is simply national security.
Libeyrtarians are always raising the specter of slippery slopes like this, as if that specter makes the government action wrong.
If Coyote can suggest other ways to stem the illegal invasion of our nation, maybe this would be worth listening to. But Coyote is great example of Libertarian suicide - the idea that we should have no border controls at all because: liberty. No border controls reduces the probability of a libertarian government from low to utterly impossible.
May 22, 2017, 9:11 pmmx:
The I-9 form at least only depends on showing certain documents. The form is held by your employer, not submitted to the government (unless the feds come to audit). E-Verify means that a government database says whether you can have a job or not.
May 22, 2017, 9:48 pmcc:
In schools of social work, there are in fact "wokeness tests" because one must sign on to the SJW ideology to get your degree (since social work is defined as a social justice activity by faculty). Same with any major ending in "studies". Some colleges are requiring the equivalent of loyalty oaths--diversity oaths.
May 23, 2017, 9:39 amRick Caird:
What is wrong with Warren, today. Checking for legal immigration status is not the same as giving work permits to the mass of citizens.
May 23, 2017, 1:26 pmGoneWithTheWind:
I don't understand your point. Why SHOULD a non-citizen be allowed to work here? Why should any non-citizen be able to take a job that would otherwise go to a citizen? It makes no sense.
May 23, 2017, 4:16 pmMay Xu:
if you are not allowed in, you are not allowed out either
The MS St. Louis was a German ocean liner most notable for a single voyage in 1939, in which its captain, Gustav Schröder, tried to find homes for over 900 Jewish refugees from Germany. After they were denied entry to Cuba, the United States, and Canada, the refugees were finally accepted in various European countries, including Belgium, the Netherlands, Britain and France.
May 23, 2017, 8:32 pmJTW:
if you already have to do that, where's the need for another system that claims to do the same thing?
May 30, 2017, 9:22 pmEnforce the existing law for a change...
Be Ge:
A system with an idea similar to driver's license should be implemented within the framework of general elections. WTH, we require training and qualification tests for driving on public roads, a potentially dangerous endeavor; yet there is no qualification required to elect politicians who are capable of far more damage vs driving on public roads. People should know what's on the vote, what powers are being transferred and what it is that the elect person can and cannot dejure do (Obama gave the phone, he'll do more) while in office.
A more sane government can then (maybe) entrusted with more powers. Heh, dreams.
June 25, 2017, 12:14 am